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HawkofStorms · Nov 22, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?

Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together.

Very nice video. Of course, we all knew paragons are awesome.

Tarkin · Nov 22, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

back to Thread... mallyx...

lets remember at your time glint > lich

at your time kamaxi > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich

at your time mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > shiro > urgoz > glint > lich

and today mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich

duncan is patetic...... but without the trick.... maybe?

duncan > mallyx > kanaxi > mallyx sub bosses > great patetic destroyer > shiro urgoz > glint > lich

Magikarp · Nov 22, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?

Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together.

cool vid, not the best paragon playing i've ever seen.. by far.. but cool vid.

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Unfortunately, SMS is one of the only truly good PvE guilds out there that knows what they're doing. Most self-proclaimed "high end PvE guilds" are nothing but idiots who mash buttons with ursan or title farmers that can only copy and run easy gimmicks that are specific to a special region.

Which is why you have a bunch of r4-5 KoaBDs and/or ursans running around thinking they're good, but they're not.

And it was quite a please to play with some of the SMS guys in DoA the other day. Was much more fun running a balanced type build than the standard noob pug ursan-monk.

no kidding. i used to be in Lore School [GWEN], the self-proclaimed "best" pve guild.

total noobs, quit after 2 days of "lets Ursway balh blah blah"

You can't see me · Nov 22, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

I don't know why this is even up for debate, as they are all the same difficulty. All it takes to defeat any of these bosses is a set of skills designed to counter what they use, and since you have 8-12 people to do it, it's not hard to figure something out. When you use a counter to something, it's going to be easy, naturally. Counterting one thing isn't any harder than countering another.

Skyy High · Nov 22, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

I don't know why this is even up for debate, as they are all the same difficulty. All it takes to defeat any of these bosses is a set of skills designed to counter what they use, and since you have 8-12 people to do it, it's not hard to figure something out. When you use a counter to something, it's going to be easy, naturally. Counterting one thing isn't any harder than countering another.

But surely the counters for one boss are not necessarily as fool-proof, or the boss himself as forgiving of errors, as another. Otherwise, you might as well declare every enemy in PvE exactly the same difficulty, because they can all be defeated by some build.

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 22, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Ursan > all of them, but I vote Shiro just for being the best-written boss.

~ Dan ~ · Nov 22, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36

Sadly i haven't fought any of the "elite" bosses, but going from threads i've read, i'd have to vote Mallyx.

I was amazingly shocked when i fought the Lich (proph was the last campaign for me to complete).. how pathetic was he?!

blurmedia · Nov 22, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Sadly i haven't fought any of the "elite" bosses, but going from threads i've read, i'd have to vote Mallyx.

I was amazingly shocked when i fought the Lich (proph was the last campaign for me to complete).. how pathetic was he?!

I felt the same way when I did the proph campaign for the first time... After reading countless profiles on guildwiki about how hard THK and ring of fire was etc etc I was like: ... -.-

Actually I got bored of THK and went afk for 5 hours while my henchies did all the work lol

I forgot about it and went to the cinema xD

PTG · Nov 22, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

grrrrrrrrrr.... so i am going to get pain inverter and then go back and kill that %$#$%#%%.....

Die Ilsundur!

That was the hardest boss I've ever fought, without pain inverter it's near to impossible (with h/h atleast). All the end-game bosses are easy... The hardest of them was Abbadon (Shiro dies within 15-30 seconds and the Lich was the easiest boss in Hell's Precipice).

fenix · Nov 22, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Urgoz without EOE being as dumb as it is. Good luck beating him unless you have a smart team. But I guess Anet dont mind having broken mechanics...

Shanaeri Rynale · Nov 22, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Urgoz with no EoE is fantastic. you need to kite, cast, and be situtationally aware(so as not to pop up stuff your team mates will walk into) for ages.

I do wish Anet would change it back to the serpents healing him and EoE not working. Some of the Urgoz kills I did when it was like this were superb fun, esp pre reconnects when 2 or 3 Err 7's per run were guaranteed.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 22, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Urgoz with no EoE is fantastic. you need to kite, cast, and be situtationally aware(so as not to pop up stuff your team mates will walk into) for ages.

I do wish Anet would change it back to the serpents healing him and EoE not working. Some of the Urgoz kills I did when it was like this were superb fun, esp pre reconnects when 2 or 3 Err 7's per run were guaranteed.

And make Urgoz only available for Guild, Alliance and Friend groups? A PuG would stand no chance, and there are still people pugging this mission.

Bug John · Nov 22, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

considering the skills they use, mallyx is definately the most overpowered one

I always smile when I see what people in pve guilds say, they shouldn't forget that they're part of a small community

yes, anybody smart enough to run a basic build with 7 decent players can kill any of those bosses easily, they hit hard, they use lame skills, but they're just dumb AI

you should try to pug one time with a parangon for doa quest, I'd like to see if you manage to find a decent group in less than a week

ursanway is godmode, but you need godmode to beat mallyx with a pug, most people in ursanway don't even understand why they should not wand the monkey, use ursan roar or protective spirit... and most of the time you can't avoid them, because if you're waiting to find a good balanced group you'll spend one week spamming local chan

there's a difference between guilds that kill kanaxai in 26 minutes and people who don't even understand they shouldn't wand onis

Arkantos · Nov 22, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by fenix

Urgoz without EOE being as dumb as it is. Good luck beating him unless you have a smart team. But I guess Anet dont mind having broken mechanics...

Yeah, Urgoz without the EoE trick is fun, just like mallyx without the door trick is fun, and duncan without the stairs trick is fun. I honestly think ANet should fix these exploits. But ANet are busy with GW2, so I don't see these exploits being fixed any time soon.

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And make Urgoz only available for Guild, Alliance and Friend groups? A PuG would stand no chance, and there are still people pugging this mission.

Hence the name elite area. An elite area should be, y'know, elite. Exploitable boss =/= elite.

Big_Daddy · Nov 22, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

LOL, I remember the first time I went up against Urgoz, I was on a real good PUG and all of a sudden they jsut told me to RUN.. I thought they were kidding me, I was like "No way we kill a boss in such a stupid way", as you all know, I was proved wrong :S

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 22, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I'm sorry, but who said anything about the door trick?

Watch the video. My guild running a balanced build without the door trick defeating mallyx. If you ask me, that IS more intelligent then ursan. Then again, intelligent and ursan are 2 words that don't belong together.

I am not entirly because the quality is pretty bad
but were you guys running an enchantment against mallyx :O

Arkantos · Nov 22, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

I am not entirly because the quality is pretty bad
but were you guys running an enchantment against mallyx :O

Better quality

And yeah, someone probably acidentally used an enchantment. But no one died, so meh.

Avarre · Nov 22, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I don't really think using "Save Yourselves!" is much more commendable than Ursan. Anyone who's played it will know you have to be mentally deficient to die with that build.

As for hard bosses... I guess the Factions ones are the closest to being hard.

Arkantos · Nov 22, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I don't really think using "Save Yourselves!" is much more commendable than Ursan. Anyone who's played it will know you have to be mentally deficient to die with that build.

SY is +100 armor for 8 adrenaline, can be kept up indefinitely. Ursan is +xxx health, +xx armor, has a ranged attack that can deal 80-150 damage with a recharge of 3 seconds, and a pbaoe knockdown that can deal 60-135 damage with a recharge of 10 seconds. Pretty hard to not be able to keep this up with a zealous weapon. Much more commendable if you ask me.

Even with SY, you need skilled players to clear the elite areas. With ursan, the only skilled person you need is a monk. Everyone else just has to spam 1 and sometimes 2 to win. You don't even need the other skills.

Horseman Of War · Nov 22, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Bug John

considering the skills they use, mallyx is definately the most overpowered one

I always smile when I see what people in pve guilds say, they shouldn't forget that they're part of a small community

yes, anybody smart enough to run a basic build with 7 decent players can kill any of those bosses easily, they hit hard, they use lame skills, but they're just dumb AI

you should try to pug one time with a parangon for doa quest, I'd like to see if you manage to find a decent group in less than a week

ursanway is godmode, but you need godmode to beat mallyx with a pug, most people in ursanway don't even understand why they should not wand the monkey, use ursan roar or protective spirit... and most of the time you can't avoid them, because if you're waiting to find a good balanced group you'll spend one week spamming local chan

there's a difference between guilds that kill kanaxai in 26 minutes and people who don't even understand they shouldn't wand onis

If you had said 46 minutes I would read this post as tho it was written by someone who knows what they are talking about.

Poor attempts to troll by bashing the 'tiny' pve-players or whatever that backwards comment was supposed to mean.

Yes, Mallyx is agreeably the most powerful 'elite boss' (why the OP thinks that the great destroyer should be included is beyond me)

And just for the record, IF YOU PUG THESE, with a 'balanced' team.... your best bet would be to bring a paragon. Ive started using my Paragon to tank in Duncan's level just recently.... Cant Touch This+Any Other Skills > OB warrior, gg. I barely even use my other characters anymore.... Paragon is simply the best, ursan or not.